Interviews

An interview with Adrian + Shane 1

Adrian + Shane are two Irish artists who have been working as one since 1997. They have had their work displayed from their hometown of Drogheda in County Louth, to the better-known viewing spots of London, New York and Sydney. Their pop-art style has received attention from Dublin to New York and from London to Sydney. While their work deals with a range of topics, from gay marriage and religion to pop culture, they regularly showcase their material on the Dublin gay scene. I caught up with the cute couple to find out the story behind the stencils.

Individually, did you have a background in art in the family? Or maybe at school/college?

Adrian: According to my mother, my granddad used to sketch a lot. I think that’s where I get it from. Unfortunately, none of his work was kept after he died. I never did my homework in primary school, so I wasn’t allowed to do art. On Fridays, when all the other kids got to do art, I had to sit in the corner and do the homework I hadn’t done during the week.

Shane: My Dad was always sketching and made some sculptures from wood and making furniture. So it had an influence, I’m sure, on my sister who works in film as a production designer, and me in art and design; I also went to the Glasgow School of Art to study architecture.

When did you first meet?

A: We grew up in the same town and went to the same schools. We knew each other’s faces, but never properly met until we were introduced by mutual friends on a dance floor at Christmas 1997.

What are the differences in style between the two of you, and how do you compromise?

A: We’ve had over twelve years to learn how to compromise. It’s not really a problem.

S: We have the same taste in art and graphics but different ways in expressing ourselves, I’m more graphic and Adrian can be more about a subject or images but its that combination that makes an Adrian + Shane piece.

What was the first exhibition you put on?

A: Our first exhibition was titled ‘Sensation By Deprivation’. It ran for a month during the summer of 1999 at the Droichead Arts Centre, Drogheda, County Louth.

S: … The art had nothing to do with the title! We had so much in the show; maybe about 50 pieces from sculpture and paintings and projection, and we still didn’t think we had enough! We actually had enough for two shows.


How has your style of art changed or evolved since you first started working together?

A: Our style changes constantly, because we like to work with different mediums. Our early work was very rough, mostly made up of collage and acrylics on paper. In recent years, however, we’ve become more known for our brightly coloured stencil work on canvas. We have also used photography and video in our more recent work.

S: We have experimented with different mediums, different techniques, ranging from projections, stencil art, painting, photography to prints on cushions that were exhibited in shop windows, anything that interests us.

Have you gained international attention at all?

A: Yes – our work has been bought by art collectors in New York, London, Tokyo, Sydney to name a few. And we recently heard that one of our artworks is hanging in a posh bar in Ibiza! We also just did an interview with a fashion/art magazine from South Korea. [As well as the fabulous Polari! – Scott]


As a couple, is it hard to work together as well as doing everything else by each other’s side?

A: No. We love each other. Enjoy each other’s company. And we know when to give each other space.

S: No, I like it…

Do you think there’s a particular style of Irish modern art, or are Irish artists just part of a British/European/World movement?

A: No. Not that I’m aware of. I don’t think there is. I don’t think our art has much to do with Ireland. We’re inspired by films, music and other artists.

S: I think Irish art can be very serious and issue based, which isn’t a bad thing… We are very serious about the art that we make, although our pieces aren’t always serious.


Future events? Exhibitions? Projects?

A: We’re hoping to exhibit around Ireland before the year is out. Two exhibitions in Dublin for 2011 have just been confirmed, but we’re not releasing anymore details till we get closer to the time. It’d be great to exhibit outside Ireland next year too, possibly London or New York. We’ll see what happens.

S: Yeah, we have shows for next year and a few things that we are planning that are happening soon but haven’t been finalised… so watch this space.. well www.adrianandshane.com for details.

An interview with the cast of Dirty White Boy 1

Dirty White Boy • Clayton Littlewood
Dir: Phil Wilmott • Assistant Director: Katherine Hare
Trafalgar Studios, London • April 26 – May 22, 2010
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As I press the button for the fourth floor in the lift at Jerwood Space I hear the voice of Patrick Stewart or, rather, Captain Picard of the Starship Enterprise: “Doors closing. Make it so.” That is weird, I think to myself, and hope there is not a camera in there to capture the stupefied look on my face. “Fourth floor: holodeck,” Picard then announces. But he is not finished. As I step out I hear, “Phasers on stun”. This idiosyncratic start is all rather fitting as I am on my way to meet Clayton Littlewood to talk about the play Dirty White Boy. There is something about Clayton that draws out the weird and the wonderful. It is what makes Dirty White Boy so compelling.

It is the eve of the month-long run of Dirty White Boy at Trafalgar Studios and the third time I have interviewed Clayton. The play started out as a blog on MySpace, which then, because of its popularity, was published as a book. The book is about Clayton’s offbeat day-to-day life in the Soho shop Dirty White Boy. The first version of the play ran to packed houses for three nights in July 2009. The 2010 version has been expanded. As before, Clayton plays himself and David Benson the many characters that walk the Soho stage. The addition to the cast is twenty-year old Alexis Gerred, who was a runner-up in the 2010 ‘Eurovision: Your Country Needs You’.

It is typical that, now I am in Clayton World, I hear that the original director, Phil Wilmott, could not make it to rehearsals because he was stuck in New York due to the plume of volcanic ash that had disrupted transatlantic flights. In his place is Katherine Hare. It is with Kat, Clayton, David, and Jorge, Clayton’s partner (as well as the play’s stylist), that I head down to have lunch and talk about the production.

After the icebreakers, and when Alexis has joined us for our picnic under the April sun, I ask how Dirty White Boy 2010 is different. “What has been interesting is that last time when we worked with Phil,” Clayton begins, “he was really good when it came to going through the script structurally and telling me to change this, do that, and as soon as he said it I thought, ‘why didn’t I see that?’ It was so spot on. This is my first time working with another director and you realise how every director has their different take. In Kat’s approach she picks up on every nuance of where you’ve gone wrong. All these human emotions that Phil didn’t go into in as much detail.”

On the words “where you’ve gone wrong”, Kat begins to chuckle.

“The other thing is that we’ve added more scenes,” Clayton continues, and, looking at Alexis, adds in a slight whisper, “And obviously we’ve got someone very young and pretty.” Here he turns his to David and adds, “Because apparently we’re not.”

David raises his chin, and responds, “I still get … offers.” Alexis sits back watching, relaxed, and very much the embodiment of Clayton’s description.

“The producer pumped a lot of money into the play, and so instead of the three try-out nights we’re on for a month. I think there was a view that, because it’s Dirty White Boy, instead of just referencing Dirty White Boy the shop it would be good to reference dirty white boy as a character. By introducing this character it meshes the stories together, invoking the spirit of not just the shop but also that of Soho. And we’re introducing iconic songs that match the action.”

“There are also a few things that happened in the last year,” he continues, “quite emotional stories that I didn’t get to put in the first play. I thought that if I only get one more chance to do this play I wanted to include, say, Chico’s full story, because it was such a crucial thing that happened to us while we were there.” Clayton turns to David, and finishes, “I think it’s more complete now, wouldn’t you say David?”

“I think it’s more fully realised than before,” David begins, leaning in toward the voice-recorder on the table to ensure that his words are clearly heard. “Last year it was more what you could call a work-in-progress. It has far more in terms of …”Here he pauses, takes a deep breath, and on the out says, “layers, and …” Another deep breath is then followed by the word “nuance.” Then it is business as usual as he concludes, “And all the stuff you want that keeps an audience hooked and captivated.” The timing is magnificent.

David is very much an actor’s actor, I cannot help but think to myself as he is speaking. He is marvellously aware of how a phrase can communicate his meaning and the same time sound rather ‘luvvie’ to the average Joe. He plays up to this by lifting his chin and pronouncing these phrases in a knowing manner. I have seen David on stage twice before, once in his one-man play Think No Evil of Us: My Life With Kenneth Williams, and again as Noel Coward in David Benson sings Noel Coward. He is a joy to watch and just right for the range of characters in Dirty White Boy.

“In the last few days with Kat what we’ve been really enjoying has been a new pair of eyes,” he continues. “It’s allowed us to see it in a new way that we are really going to be able to explore in performance with an audience. That’s of course where it really takes off. That’s when the really important character comes in, which is the audience, and you find out what you’re working with. There are new emotions that are being tapped. We were astonished at the audience’s reaction last year. They even stood up at the end. And not just to leave.”

“Alex is a fantastic addition to the cast. I thought he was just going to come on and sing songs and go off again but what Kat has been really working is weaving him into the texture of the piece.” The knowing air returns and David leans forward to talk to the voice-recorder, his conduit to the audience. He’s never far from the stage, you’ll be glad to know readers.

“He’s become more of an everyman character,” Kat adds. “He could be any man walking down Old Compton Street, and he is also has becomes Clayton’s muse. Hopefully he mirrors what the audience is. I only came in two days ago, but ninety-nine percent of it was already there. One element that has changed radically is that we have Alex, who is now very much part of the piece. My job has been integrating him.”

“I think this time round there is a pool of good talent,” Clayton adds. “David’s acting, Kat’s directing, Jorge’s styling, Alexis’s singing, and my writing.”

And your performance,” David emphasises to Clay. “It’s charming and wonderful.”

At this point, Clayton turns to Alexis and asks, “What do you think?” Alexis nods and replies, “I think it’s great.”

“There you go,” Clay says to me, “there’s your quote.”

“What attracted me so much, especially after reading the book,” Alexis explains,  “is that it’s about real people. It has such a range of emotions. It’s an incredibly funny show, but there are also dark storylines that you can relate to. I hope the songs will be the stitch between the material and will accentuate the mood.”

“I think the whole point is that even if you’ve never met people like this in your life it is about basic human emotions that can appeal to anyone in the audience,” Kat adds. “You may not recognise the type of person but what they’re experiencing you will know about.”

“It’s not a gay play,” Clayton insists at this point, which I think is exactly right. “It’s a social play,” Kat confirms “It’s a commentary on a certain time and a certain place.” Now we’ve really hit on something, and everyone becomes more animated as a result.

“The danger is,” David weighs in, “that it gets pigeon-holed so that people think ‘we can’t go and see that, it’s not for us’.”

Clayton and I had talked about the book crossing over from the ghetto of the gay and lesbian booklist when last we spoke, and so I asked if its emotional range was the element that made it cross over as a play.

“That’s all down to PR, and how you pitch it,” Clayton responds.

“It’s a shame that it has to be thought of as a crossover,” Kat adds, and here we really get into the meat of it. “It’s a shame that all theatre can’t be accessible to whomever chooses to go. But that’s living in an ideal world. We’re not in that ideal world unfortunately. How do you make the crossover? It’s word of mouth. If two people come to see it who don’t think it’s going to appeal to them, realise it does and tell ten of their friends, then you’re on to a winner.”

“Our performance will prove that it is not traditionally gay theatre,” Alexis comments, “and that it speaks to a range of people from all walks of life.”

“The way forward for human beings is to see how similar we all are,” David observes. “All cultures and societies are controlled in a way by the differences between us, and this pushes you toward being tribal, when in fact we are so much more similar than we are different. As Samuel Johnson said, ‘We are all prompted by the same motives, all deceived by the same fallacies, all animated by hope, obstructed by danger, entangled by desire, and seduced by pleasure’.” Precisely.

“The characters in the play are all people who are normally pushed to the edge of society, and people don’t normally dwell on,” Clayton goes on to explain. “Old queens, trannies, hookers, ex-drag queens dying of cancer.”

“They’re not normally people who’d be in your circle of friends,” Kat comments. Jorge bursts out laughing and says, “They’re in our circle of friends”.

“We were doing an interview in a coffee shop and Angie was there,” Clayton recounts. Angie, who is a post-op transsexual, is featured heavily in the play. “Then Alexis arrived and within two minutes she was saying, ‘How about you come back to mine and sit on my face’.”

“In that hour,” Alexis laughs, “I probably saw her boobs more than I’ve seen my girlfriend’s!”

“And they spring out, don’t they?” David notes. Boing! There they are. Perfect.”

“The thing is that you think these are larger than life characters but they’re real,” Kat says, bringing it back to the subject at hand. “They live their lives in this way. It’s amazing how theatrical real life is. In many ways I’ve had to say take the theatrics out because no one is going to believe that it is real.”

“That’s the thing about being in Soho, it seems to attract all those eccentrics,” Clayton responds.  “I was very fortunate because they just walked in the door.”

“I think you’re a magnet for them, actually,” I say, laughing. “Remember at our first interview when Pam the Fag Lady walked in just as we sat down?” Pam is a Soho institution, and pops up all throughout the book.

“She was there the other day when we having coffee,” David tells. “And Rupert Everett was two tables away. You just go into Soho and you’re on this amazing stage with all these characters. Remember that time we first went out and had a coffee after you contacted me on MySpace?” David says to Clay. He leans in toward the recorder again and raises his chin. “Remember MySpace, readers? How our ancestors lived.” He then settles back into his chair. “We were talking away and I said that what is really hard about my work is that I have to write for myself.”

Clay nods and smiles. “And a little light bulb went off above my head.”

“I said it would be wonderful if you could write something and I could perform it. Initially this was going to be a one-man show and now it has turned into what it is.”

It is time to return to the work at hand, and Clay invites me up to watch the rehearsal for a while. It is a genuine treat, and over an hour has passed before I can tear myself away. From shop to blog, from book to play, the story of Dirty White Boy is a fascinating one. “You do not educate a man by telling him what he knew not, but by making him what he was not,” John Ruskin wrote in Munera Pulveris. That is in essence what we had been talking about on that glorious April afternoon, and it is Clay’s genuine gift as a storyteller I think to myself as I leave. I step into the lift, and Captain Picard says, “Door Closing. Lift going down. Warp 5.” I smile to myself because there is something that feels so right about that.

Dead Eagle Trail: An interview with Jane Hilton 1

Dead Eagle Trail: America’s Twenty-First Century Cowboys
Jane Hilton
144 pages • Schilt Publishing • April 12, 2010 [HB]

Exhibition • Host Gallery, 1-5 Honduras Street, London, EC1Y 0TH
21 April – 15 May 2010
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The cowboy is the personification the rural American Dream. The Revolutionary War of 1776, and the Articles of Confederation that established the United States, were driven by the dream of a way of life on a frontier of never-ending possibility. “American social development has been continually beginning over again on the frontier,” the historian Frederick Jackson Turner wrote in 1893. “This perennial rebirth, this fluidity of American life, this expansion westward with its new opportunities, furnish the forces dominating American character.” Although Northern industrialism and the dreams of affluence came to rule the American economy, it is the dream of the Wild West, the frontier, and ultimately the cowboy, that has the strongest hold on the American imagination. It is this hold, and how it is brought to life by the modern cowboy, that is at the heart of Jane Hilton’s Dead Eagle Trail.

The morning I met Hilton she had just returned from Amsterdam with the first printed copy of Dead Eagle Trail: America’s Twenty-First Century Cowboys. The book, and the accompanying exhibition at Host Gallery, is a unique insight into how the cowboy sees himself rather than simply how he is seen. “I wasn’t really interested in photographing them against sunsets, or branding cattle, all the obvious things,” Hilton said. “So I started to take portraits of cowboys at home, in amongst all the things that mean everything in the world to them. The portraits in my opinion have never been seen. That is what is so special about the book. Otherwise it wouldn’t stand out.”

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Man’s World: An interview with author Rupert Smith 0

Interview with Rupert Smith
Man’s World
220 pages • Arcadia Books • February 18, 2010
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Rupert Smith’s novel Man’s World is published later this month. It is the story two men from two different generations that explores both the gay scene of London today and the underground scene of fifty years ago.

Polari talked to Rupert on the eve of the book’s publication.

I thought it would be a good idea to start with a potted history of your work as a novelist. You’re three-people-in-one, aren’t you?

I am currently three people in one. My real name is Rupert Smith and under that name I’ve been writing what can loosely be called literary fiction with a significant gay content. The first was published in 1988. Man’s World is my fourth novel under that name. I also write erotic fiction under the name James Lear, which I’ve been doing since the early noughties. The sixth one of those is out this year. And under the name Rupert James I write commercial women’s fiction, the second of which is coming out this year. It’s the only way I’ve found to make any money out of it. I no longer have a day job. I was a journalist for many years but I gave that up a couple of years ago to concentrate on writing books. This is my living. I don’t have a private income, like a lot of authors seem to have, so I have to write a couple of books of year. If I just wrote literary fiction I’d be in the gutter.

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An interview with PETA’s rebel campaigner Dan Mathews 0

Interview with Dan Mathews
Senior VP of PETA
January 15, 2010
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Dan Mathews is the Senior Vice President of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. His memoir, Committed: The Adventures of PETA’s Rebel Campaigner, is most likely the funniest book to have been written on the subject of animal rights activism. He is the force behind PETA’s often controversial and always impactive campaign strategy.

What led you to write the memoir Committed?

I’ve been writing as long as I’ve been an animal rights activist, and I’ve always had a different take on things. I wrote an article for Details magazine called “The Connoisseurs Guide to the World’s Jails,” where I rated jail food, accommodations, etc. It led to more articles in other magazines, and then the book sprung up from there.

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One Year On: An Interview with Clayton Littlewood 6

I first interviewed Clayton Littlewood in December 2008, after the publication of the book Dirty White Boy, and before his dinner with Elton John, who had read and admired it.

This is how I introduced the book.

Dirty White Boy began as a MySpace blog when Clayton and his partner Jorge were running a shop of the same name. Its subject is London’s Soho, in which the shop was situated, under a brothel no less and on the corner of the gay mecca Old Compton Street. Clayton would sit and watch the chaotic world of Soho go by, take notes in a little black book, and then write his blog.

It is because of Clayton’s genuine interest in the people he writes about that Dirty White Boy is such an engaging read. It pulls you in, wraps you up in its world, and as a result you become invested in it. He refers to his subjects as characters throughout our conversation, and in a way they have become so as part of this alchemical process through cyberspace to the printed word. His subject is not himself, not the performers who frequent the Soho bars and clubs, but the “people for whom Soho is their home.”

Strange if not Stranger than Fiction: An Interview with Clayton Littlewood

One year on Polari decided to catch up with Clayton, and we met in the same coffee shop in Soho where the interview took place and the photographs for the article were taken.

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The Sound of Wonder: An Interview with Tori Amos 0

On December 2, 2009, Tori Amos played at the Jazz Café in Camden, London, to promote her new album Midwinter Graces. No tickets were sold, and the wristbands necessary to secure entry were free and made available only that morning on a first-come-first-served basis. The Jazz Café is a small venue with an official capacity of 350. This was an intimate performance. The set list was equally intimate and more emotionally charged than Tori would play in a concert hall. Songs such as ‘Dragon’ and ‘Doughnut Song’, as well as the new track ‘A Silent Night With You’, made early appearances. A problem with the microphone on the opening song, ‘Lady in Blue’, did not break the magic of the performance. In fact it added to it. When I talked to her the next morning, I opened by asking Tori what she thought about the show.

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Tori Amos Wishes Polari A Happy First Birthday 0

Birthday wishes from Tori Amos

25/40: An interview with Greta Schiller, the director of Before Stonewall 0

Forty years ago, early in the morning of June 28, 1969, the gay liberation movement came out of the closet after the police raided the Stonewall Inn in Greenwich Village, New York City. “These riots are widely credited with being the motivating force in the transformation of the gay political movement,” writes David Carter in his groundbreaking book Stonewall: The Riots that Sparked the Gay Revolution. Yet what had it had been like to be gay before then? What did it actually mean to live in the closet in an era when homosexuality was deemed at best a mental illness and at worse a criminal act?

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The Insurrectionist: An Interview with Patrick Wolf 0

On the mantlepiece in Patrick Wolf’s living room is a framed reproduction of The Death of Chatterton by Henry Wallis (1856). Chatteron was a poet who committed suicide at the age of seventeen, driven to it both by poverty and the rejection of his work. He was later celebrated by the Romantic poets as a genius. Shelley paid tribute to him in ‘Adonais’ and Keats dedicated ‘Endymion’ to his memory. In ‘The Sun is Often Out’ from his new album, The Bachelor, Patrick laments the death of his friend Stephen, a poet who committed suicide by throwing himself into the Thames. It is an arresting song, stripped bare to Patrick’s vocals and accompanying strings.

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